Kirkland City Council prepares to pass annexation ordinance by year end

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At the December 1 Kirkland City Council Study Session, annexation and the budget were front and center. With concerns or reservations about annexation expressed by only two councilmembers, it appears that Kirkland will proceed with annexation before the end of the year.

Annexation is on track for passage by the Kirkland City Council. Since annexation received over 50% of the vote in the general election, but did not achieve the required 60% threshold for passage, the council has the ability to accept annexation without the assumption of Kirkland’s debt by the Potential Annexation Area (PAA). The PAA rejected the annexation measure (which included assumption of Kirkland’s debt) by a mere 7 votes in the general election.

The actual annexation vote totals in the general election were as follows:

Ballots Cast/Registered Voters: *10813/19231 (56.23%)

Proposition A Proposed Annexation, Assumption Of Indebtedness, And Adoption Of Zoning Regulations
YES 6291 59.94%
NO 4205 40.06%

Since the annexation ballot measure was rejected by the PAA, the Kirkland City Council has several options before them:

  1. Do nothing and leave annexation for the next council to address;
  2. Pass a resolution accepting annexation (with no further action);
  3. Pass a resolution accepting annexation without indebtedness and pass an ordinance to set the annexation in motion.

At the Study Session, the council chose option number three and directed staff to prepare an ordinance for the council’s December 15 meeting. There were three councilmembers who stressed their desire to complete annexation this year under the current council rather than push the issue off until the next council convenes in January. Two councilmembers expressed concerns or reservations about the costs of annexation and manipulation of the budget, however, they were clearly in the minority.

Additional budget information was discussed at the Study Session. The current economic crisis has hit Kirkland hard. Along with the many Kirkland services which have been cut, the City has cut about 40 full time equivalents (FTEs) and has asked its organized union employees to reduce their salaries. $2.1 million in up-front money is needed to be funded for annexation prior to commencement of annexation in the spring of 2011. This money is needed primarily to ramp-up for public safety needs when annexation is enacted. The state sales tax reimbursement to help the City pay for annexation starts only after annexation commences.

At the regular City Council meeting which followed, King County Councilmember Jane Hague expressed the County’s support for annexation and its commitment to be a partner in annexation. No commitment was made as to any funding which Kirkland may receive from the County.

If the council passes an annexation resolution and ordinance at their December 15 meeting, annexation of the PAA will be set in motion without assumption of Kirkland’s indebtedness.

For all intents and purposes, this action will be final and the discussion about annexation will no longer be IF annexation happens, but HOW we enact annexation and which policies will best serve the whole community. The years of study and preparation will be enacted and focus will turn toward providing city services to the neighborhoods of Kingsgate, North Juanita and Finn Hill in the spring of 2011.

The annexation measure lost by only seven votes. There were over 300 ballots cast in the PAA on which a preference for annexation was not recorded. Had the PAA accepted the city’s debt and passed the annexation measure as it was stated on the ballot, the tax burden for the average current Kirkland household would have been lowered by an estimated $13 per year (declining in time as debt is paid off).

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  • Pete Peterson

    My belief on the passing of the annexation before the new council takes over is a scam. We in the PAA will be under the new council and Kirkland’s budget will have to live under the new council. That does not seem fair to me to pass this discrepancy in budget on to the new council. The council now knows they can pass it but they don’t know what the other one will do. In turn the old council does not have to live with it. After the first of the year it is not their problem.
    How can you lay off 40 full time people and spend 2.2 million for the annexation. How does the people of Kirkland stand for such management?

  • Pete Peterson

    My belief on the passing of the annexation before the new council takes over is a scam. We in the PAA will be under the new council and Kirkland’s budget will have to live under the new council. That does not seem fair to me to pass this discrepancy in budget on to the new council. The council now knows they can pass it but they don’t know what the other one will do. In turn the old council does not have to live with it. After the first of the year it is not their problem.
    How can you lay off 40 full time people and spend 2.2 million for the annexation. How does the people of Kirkland stand for such management?

  • Tom Ellis

    This sounds like sour grapes to me. The lame ducks should not be voting on this issue, it needs to be voted on by the new council. They are the ones that will have to respond to us disenfranchised voters from the area formerly known as Juanita and Finn Hill. The Mayor needs to stand up and say NO!!. This has been railroaded on us by several power seeking indivuals with lots of money that forced this through and now to have the old council get to decide as well. Hmmmm who is getting paid off here? Follow the money trail. Also watch that casino that was so called shut down in Kingsgate. The local busineeses swear it is still going up!!!

    • Ann B.

      I agree, let the new council make a decision, not the one we just voted out (for good reason).

  • Tom Ellis

    This sounds like sour grapes to me. The lame ducks should not be voting on this issue, it needs to be voted on by the new council. They are the ones that will have to respond to us disenfranchised voters from the area formerly known as Juanita and Finn Hill. The Mayor needs to stand up and say NO!!. This has been railroaded on us by several power seeking indivuals with lots of money that forced this through and now to have the old council get to decide as well. Hmmmm who is getting paid off here? Follow the money trail. Also watch that casino that was so called shut down in Kingsgate. The local busineeses swear it is still going up!!!

    • Ann B.

      I agree, let the new council make a decision, not the one we just voted out (for good reason).

  • R. Luke

    Just another prime example of the lack of fiscal responsibility by the Kirkland City Council. Push forward with spending with no regard for the deficit. Kirkland residents where are you? Those of you who complained about not getting a vote on annexation, here is your chance to let your council member know how you feel. City services are about to be diluted and reduced yet we take on the annexation. Ship all council members off to California for a study trip on deficit spending!!

  • R. Luke

    Just another prime example of the lack of fiscal responsibility by the Kirkland City Council. Push forward with spending with no regard for the deficit. Kirkland residents where are you? Those of you who complained about not getting a vote on annexation, here is your chance to let your council member know how you feel. City services are about to be diluted and reduced yet we take on the annexation. Ship all council members off to California for a study trip on deficit spending!!

  • *

    I read the council agenda, and it looks like the big sales tax incentive is about $750,000. That’s not very much considering how far in the RED the City is. In fact it’s only just enough to cover the cost of the lawsuit Councilman Sternoff’s girlfriend has against the city.

    The sudden in rush of money from King County was a nice touch. Why don’t they check the neighboring cities for financial fitness before allowing Kirkland to sprawl into areas it can’t afford? Last I checked, any personal loan required a credit check….

    • Anonymous

      cheap shots are just that.

      But it takes a REAL coward to take those cheap shots without signing her name.

      I’m so sick of scum like that anonymous writer I could just puke.

  • *

    I read the council agenda, and it looks like the big sales tax incentive is about $750,000. That’s not very much considering how far in the RED the City is. In fact it’s only just enough to cover the cost of the lawsuit Councilman Sternoff’s girlfriend has against the city.

    The sudden in rush of money from King County was a nice touch. Why don’t they check the neighboring cities for financial fitness before allowing Kirkland to sprawl into areas it can’t afford? Last I checked, any personal loan required a credit check….

    • http://eastsidesun.com John Gilday

      cheap shots are just that.

      But it takes a REAL coward to take those cheap shots without signing her name.

      I’m so sick of scum like that anonymous writer I could just puke.

  • Scott Brady

    The meeting last night with regards to annexation was a farce. Apparently Toby Nixon has gotten into the books of the fire district now that his Citizens for One Kirkland group is now stating that the three fire stations and all their equipment are 100% owned (as opposed to Kirkland’s which are being paid off in debt). And that Fire District has a $1M reserve that will belong to Kirkland if they pass annexation. Their presentation also showed that since our roads in the PAA are in better shape than Kirkland’s are, it won’t cost Kirkland as much to maintain them. The president of the Fire District 41 commissioners (or something like that) also stated how great it will be when they turn part of Finn Hill park into a new fire station.

    Translation: Another $1M for downtown Kirkland development. Kirkland has a lower standard for road maintenance than the county does. We’re going to see years of poor road maintenance while our “better roads” degrade to Kirkland’s lower standards. I hope that the people who voted yes because “Kirkland will clean up our neighborhood” take a drive in Rose Hill, anywhere along 85th, or through Totem Lake will do. You’ll get to see just how they’ve been “cleaning up” those areas for the last 20 years. And I hope that my fellow Finn Hill residents enjoy blaring sirens ripping across the top of Finn Hill once that new fire station is in.

    County Councilwoman Hague offering up “between $1M and $2M” to “cover the cost of the debt” was just ridiculous. All summer long, proponents used the ‘look how the county is so broke, and making deep deep cuts’ to scare voters into voting for voting YES on annexation. And now there are millions of dollars to make annexation work. Scam.

    And Rob, nice touch on the graphic for this story. I really like the graphic of a bunch of simple little children being welcomed into Kirkland. The blog posts from Kirkland residents calling our neighborhoods a “ghetto” and the Kirkland City Council’s obvious contempt for middle class citizens wasn’t evidence enough of how we’re really considered.

    • http://www.kirklandviews.com/about/ Rob Butcher

      Hi Scott,
      I have to correct a misconception you have expressed in your comment. While I cannot read every comment that is posted on this blog, let alone every other blog around, I do keep up to speed on almost every posting. I have to say I disagree with your statement about “Kirkland residents calling our neighborhoods a “ghetto””.
      While I understand that some people in the PAA feel like Kirkland looks down on them and uses such terms, I can assure you that the only time I have ever heard terms like “ghetto” used to describe the PAA, it came from people living in the PAA complaining about how Kirkland views them. This really is disturbing to me as words mean things and such terms are very destructive in a community. I honestly have not heard of such talk from Kirkland residents. It is my belief that the vast majority of opposition within existing Kirkland city limits is financially-based.

      My own initial opposition to annexation dating back to 2007 was based solely on Kirkland’s inability to reign in costs and the then projected operating cost to existing Kirkland of $50 million. That was then. Since then, the City of Kirkland has raised taxes, substantially lowered service levels, and re-worked the annexation analysis, lowered the number of planned annexation patrol districts, plans to adjust Kirkland’s police patrol districts, and foregone any accounting of facilities costs such as a larger City Hall, Police and Maintenance facilities.
      Since 2007, the City has reworked the numbers and now says that annexation is feasible given the changes which have taken place.
      You may notice that I try to remain neutral on this issue these days. The financial side is not the only one to consider. There is also a moral obligation that many in Kirkland believe we have toward the PAA based upon past promises Councils have made. This perspective is also very legitimate. I do not begrudge anyone in the PAA wanting to become a part of Kirkland, nor do I begrudge anyone wishing to stay with King County. This is a very emotional issue and I am sure you will agree that we are best served when rhetoric like “ghetto” is not used by any of us to describe our neighbors.
      Thank you for your comments.

      • Scott Brady

        Read the comments in Seattle Times article that was posted following the initial results. You’ll find the “ghetto” comment, along with others there who posted complaints about the “lower property values up there” and so on. There are many such comments made by Kirkland residents. They were not made by residents of the PAA.

        I couldn’t agree more with you that people shouldn’t use words like ghetto to describe their neighboring communities. That is why it is so offensive when I have to read it over and over again.

        And perhaps, you could change the picture associated with this article? The welcoming little children is just as offensive considering the pseudo-democratic way that this election is being handled. You see, it seems as though us little children up North need the big guiding hand of Kirkland, and it’s ok that because Kirkland is here to help. Really, give it a thought and consider changing it. The symbolism is not good.

    • Johanna Palmer

      Scott let me begin with Citizens for One Kirkland (CFOK) does not belong to Toby Nixon. When CFOK was organized, Toby was not involved. CFOK was founded two and a half years ago to promote the annexation of the PAA to Kirkland. At one point CFOK was at odds with Toby when he was looking at Bothell to annex the PAA when it looked like Kirkland was not going to go forward. Toby has been a valuable resource to CFOK which is made up of numerous grassroots volunteers not “big money.” I do not appreciate your attempt to disparage a group that has worked to promote a local issue. We apparently represent the opinions of a large majority of the voters in the PAA.

      The point of my presentation at the most recent Kirkland City Council was to show that the PAA is not coming hat-in-hand to Kirkland for our services. Our area has assets to bring to this partnership that seem to be left out of the discussion. Included in those are the assets of Fire District 41 which many of the PAA residents paid for with their taxes.

      Contrary to your assertion, the City Council does represent the local community and is accessible. People often feel they are not represented if the council makes a decision they do not agree with. I saw you were at the meeting and spoke to the council. How many times have you addressed the King County Council? If you had stayed for the whole meeting you would have seen several council members questioning the staff recommendation on the tree ordinance.

      I know the times are tough and all of us are looking at our budgets to determine what expenses are needs versus wants. Many of us (including governments and businesses) got used to having discretionary money when the economic situation was better. The changes we make now can make us better prepared for when things improve.
      I believe that Kirkland and the PAA will be stronger together than separate. If we can make it work now, just think of what we can do together in the future.

      • Scott Brady

        You’re right, Toby Nixon is not the sole member of your group. After this long summer I tend to forget that good people like you and a few others in your organization do believe that you have the communities’ best interest in mind. Even if I cannot find enough information to make myself agree with your point of view.

        That said I certainly didn’t appreciate having your group continuously disparaging me or my group all summer long. I especially didn’t like it when one of your supporters was harassing members of my group at freeway off ramps trying to force unwanted donation money on them so that individual could entrap us with a complaint to the PDC. I know that you are not personally responsible for their individual actions, and having spoken with you on decent terms at one point I doubt that you are in any way responsible. But still, those and many other underhanded actions are very hard to forgive, and make it especially hard to view the CFOK in a good light.

        As for the money, your group raised over $10,000.00. Mine spent well under $1000.00. I don’t know what you consider big money, but in my opinion that is big money.

        It’s interesting that when a city council makes a decision that is in favor of something people wanted, that they selectively ignore everything else. I stayed at the meeting long enough to hear residents along Lake Washington complain about how the Kirkland city council ignored input from them during the development of the Shoreline Master Program. I also listened to several impassioned individuals representing real estate groups asking for public hearings on a new construction tax issue that had (as it appeared) been denied a public hearing process. And specific to annexation, this city council ignored its citizens from the start and continued to do so throughout the process. That was enough of the business as usual for me, so I left early. Fortunately the city records those meetings to be watched later. Which I may even do at some point, but for now my position is that since I have no voice I may as well just wait for their final decision on the Tree Regulations to be made public.

        “Assets to bring to this partnership.” A partnership implies that both parties have something to gain. We have assets (a fire department that is flush with cash and physical assets) and stability (from property taxes). What does Kirkland bring us? Unfortunately I don’t see the representation, though I do agree with Matthew Pruitt that the new council offers much promise based on their backgrounds. And I don’t see better services in our future without significant costs which we’ll all be paying in taxes, fees, traffic tickets, and baseless permits. And unfortunately there is no evidence of real fiscal responsibility resulting in stability that I’ve found in reviewing as much of the last 20 years of Kirkland that I could get my eyes on. So I do not see what Kirkland brings us.

        In the end time will tell. If the council votes in annexation, in a few years we’ll all be able to review the progress, or lack there of. We’ll be able to looks at the tax rates, at the crime rates, at the progress of the home values compared to surrounding areas, count the number of citations issued, count the numbers of businesses that opened and closed. We’ll be able to see how many single family homes become row houses, or not. We’ll all know whether Kirkland “cleaned up Kingsgate” (I’m quoting four of your supporters there). We’ll even be able to access quality of life surveys to find out if the ends justified the means. And most of all we’ll have an answer as to whether or not this annexation is a good idea.

        Believe me when I say that after spending so much time looking into how Kirkland’s other annexations have been mishandled, that there is nobody in the PAA who wants to be wrong about this more than I do.

  • Scott Brady

    The meeting last night with regards to annexation was a farce. Apparently Toby Nixon has gotten into the books of the fire district now that his Citizens for One Kirkland group is now stating that the three fire stations and all their equipment are 100% owned (as opposed to Kirkland’s which are being paid off in debt). And that Fire District has a $1M reserve that will belong to Kirkland if they pass annexation. Their presentation also showed that since our roads in the PAA are in better shape than Kirkland’s are, it won’t cost Kirkland as much to maintain them. The president of the Fire District 41 commissioners (or something like that) also stated how great it will be when they turn part of Finn Hill park into a new fire station.

    Translation: Another $1M for downtown Kirkland development. Kirkland has a lower standard for road maintenance than the county does. We’re going to see years of poor road maintenance while our “better roads” degrade to Kirkland’s lower standards. I hope that the people who voted yes because “Kirkland will clean up our neighborhood” take a drive in Rose Hill, anywhere along 85th, or through Totem Lake will do. You’ll get to see just how they’ve been “cleaning up” those areas for the last 20 years. And I hope that my fellow Finn Hill residents enjoy blaring sirens ripping across the top of Finn Hill once that new fire station is in.

    County Councilwoman Hague offering up “between $1M and $2M” to “cover the cost of the debt” was just ridiculous. All summer long, proponents used the ‘look how the county is so broke, and making deep deep cuts’ to scare voters into voting for voting YES on annexation. And now there are millions of dollars to make annexation work. Scam.

    And Rob, nice touch on the graphic for this story. I really like the graphic of a bunch of simple little children being welcomed into Kirkland. The blog posts from Kirkland residents calling our neighborhoods a “ghetto” and the Kirkland City Council’s obvious contempt for middle class citizens wasn’t evidence enough of how we’re really considered.

    • http://www.kirklandviews.com/about/ Rob Butcher

      Hi Scott,
      I have to correct a misconception you have expressed in your comment. While I cannot read every comment that is posted on this blog, let alone every other blog around, I do keep up to speed on almost every posting. I have to say I disagree with your statement about “Kirkland residents calling our neighborhoods a “ghetto””.
      While I understand that some people in the PAA feel like Kirkland looks down on them and uses such terms, I can assure you that the only time I have ever heard terms like “ghetto” used to describe the PAA, it came from people living in the PAA complaining about how Kirkland views them. This really is disturbing to me as words mean things and such terms are very destructive in a community. I honestly have not heard of such talk from Kirkland residents. It is my belief that the vast majority of opposition within existing Kirkland city limits is financially-based.

      My own initial opposition to annexation dating back to 2007 was based solely on Kirkland’s inability to reign in costs and the then projected operating cost to existing Kirkland of $50 million. That was then. Since then, the City of Kirkland has raised taxes, substantially lowered service levels, and re-worked the annexation analysis, lowered the number of planned annexation patrol districts, plans to adjust Kirkland’s police patrol districts, and foregone any accounting of facilities costs such as a larger City Hall, Police and Maintenance facilities.
      Since 2007, the City has reworked the numbers and now says that annexation is feasible given the changes which have taken place.
      You may notice that I try to remain neutral on this issue these days. The financial side is not the only one to consider. There is also a moral obligation that many in Kirkland believe we have toward the PAA based upon past promises Councils have made. This perspective is also very legitimate. I do not begrudge anyone in the PAA wanting to become a part of Kirkland, nor do I begrudge anyone wishing to stay with King County. This is a very emotional issue and I am sure you will agree that we are best served when rhetoric like “ghetto” is not used by any of us to describe our neighbors.
      Thank you for your comments.

      • Scott Brady

        Read the comments in Seattle Times article that was posted following the initial results. You’ll find the “ghetto” comment, along with others there who posted complaints about the “lower property values up there” and so on. There are many such comments made by Kirkland residents. They were not made by residents of the PAA.

        I couldn’t agree more with you that people shouldn’t use words like ghetto to describe their neighboring communities. That is why it is so offensive when I have to read it over and over again.

        And perhaps, you could change the picture associated with this article? The welcoming little children is just as offensive considering the pseudo-democratic way that this election is being handled. You see, it seems as though us little children up North need the big guiding hand of Kirkland, and it’s ok that because Kirkland is here to help. Really, give it a thought and consider changing it. The symbolism is not good.

    • Johanna Palmer

      Scott let me begin with Citizens for One Kirkland (CFOK) does not belong to Toby Nixon. When CFOK was organized, Toby was not involved. CFOK was founded two and a half years ago to promote the annexation of the PAA to Kirkland. At one point CFOK was at odds with Toby when he was looking at Bothell to annex the PAA when it looked like Kirkland was not going to go forward. Toby has been a valuable resource to CFOK which is made up of numerous grassroots volunteers not “big money.” I do not appreciate your attempt to disparage a group that has worked to promote a local issue. We apparently represent the opinions of a large majority of the voters in the PAA.

      The point of my presentation at the most recent Kirkland City Council was to show that the PAA is not coming hat-in-hand to Kirkland for our services. Our area has assets to bring to this partnership that seem to be left out of the discussion. Included in those are the assets of Fire District 41 which many of the PAA residents paid for with their taxes.

      Contrary to your assertion, the City Council does represent the local community and is accessible. People often feel they are not represented if the council makes a decision they do not agree with. I saw you were at the meeting and spoke to the council. How many times have you addressed the King County Council? If you had stayed for the whole meeting you would have seen several council members questioning the staff recommendation on the tree ordinance.

      I know the times are tough and all of us are looking at our budgets to determine what expenses are needs versus wants. Many of us (including governments and businesses) got used to having discretionary money when the economic situation was better. The changes we make now can make us better prepared for when things improve.
      I believe that Kirkland and the PAA will be stronger together than separate. If we can make it work now, just think of what we can do together in the future.

      • Scott Brady

        You’re right, Toby Nixon is not the sole member of your group. After this long summer I tend to forget that good people like you and a few others in your organization do believe that you have the communities’ best interest in mind. Even if I cannot find enough information to make myself agree with your point of view.

        That said I certainly didn’t appreciate having your group continuously disparaging me or my group all summer long. I especially didn’t like it when one of your supporters was harassing members of my group at freeway off ramps trying to force unwanted donation money on them so that individual could entrap us with a complaint to the PDC. I know that you are not personally responsible for their individual actions, and having spoken with you on decent terms at one point I doubt that you are in any way responsible. But still, those and many other underhanded actions are very hard to forgive, and make it especially hard to view the CFOK in a good light.

        As for the money, your group raised over $10,000.00. Mine spent well under $1000.00. I don’t know what you consider big money, but in my opinion that is big money.

        It’s interesting that when a city council makes a decision that is in favor of something people wanted, that they selectively ignore everything else. I stayed at the meeting long enough to hear residents along Lake Washington complain about how the Kirkland city council ignored input from them during the development of the Shoreline Master Program. I also listened to several impassioned individuals representing real estate groups asking for public hearings on a new construction tax issue that had (as it appeared) been denied a public hearing process. And specific to annexation, this city council ignored its citizens from the start and continued to do so throughout the process. That was enough of the business as usual for me, so I left early. Fortunately the city records those meetings to be watched later. Which I may even do at some point, but for now my position is that since I have no voice I may as well just wait for their final decision on the Tree Regulations to be made public.

        “Assets to bring to this partnership.” A partnership implies that both parties have something to gain. We have assets (a fire department that is flush with cash and physical assets) and stability (from property taxes). What does Kirkland bring us? Unfortunately I don’t see the representation, though I do agree with Matthew Pruitt that the new council offers much promise based on their backgrounds. And I don’t see better services in our future without significant costs which we’ll all be paying in taxes, fees, traffic tickets, and baseless permits. And unfortunately there is no evidence of real fiscal responsibility resulting in stability that I’ve found in reviewing as much of the last 20 years of Kirkland that I could get my eyes on. So I do not see what Kirkland brings us.

        In the end time will tell. If the council votes in annexation, in a few years we’ll all be able to review the progress, or lack there of. We’ll be able to looks at the tax rates, at the crime rates, at the progress of the home values compared to surrounding areas, count the number of citations issued, count the numbers of businesses that opened and closed. We’ll be able to see how many single family homes become row houses, or not. We’ll all know whether Kirkland “cleaned up Kingsgate” (I’m quoting four of your supporters there). We’ll even be able to access quality of life surveys to find out if the ends justified the means. And most of all we’ll have an answer as to whether or not this annexation is a good idea.

        Believe me when I say that after spending so much time looking into how Kirkland’s other annexations have been mishandled, that there is nobody in the PAA who wants to be wrong about this more than I do.

  • http://www.mathewpruitt.com/ Mathew Pruitt

    I will reitirate for all of you, what I asked of Bob in his last letter posted on this site.

    Although I respect your opinion and I understand that there are negatives to any decision just as there are positives, I can’t understand why annexation opponents seem to completely ignore life outside of their own back yard. What is the impact and associated costs of a decline in those communities surrounding Kirkland as King County continues to cut services? Isn’t it better to work with the county now why they are offering rather than wait until they are not? Aren’t we better off having Redmond, Bellevue, Bothell, and Seattle as neighbors rather than say Detroit or St. Louis. Doesn’t that impact the economy of the city as well as its revenue intake? If any of these things are true, isn’t it true the city council has little choice in the matter but to accept the city’s responisibility as a good neighbor within our region and finally approve annexation?

    • Scott Brady

      Mathew Pruitt: Just what are the positives? And please don’t quote me any more tired (and untrue) rhetoric about local representation. Or the big selling point of “more police”.

      So far Kirkland doesn’t seem to be a good neighbor to its own citizens and business community. How are they going to help the region?

      As for seeing things past our own back yards, that is just another elitist statement that fits right in line with your other postings. I’d guess that most of us have a better idea of the big picture than you do.

  • http://www.mathewpruitt.com Mathew Pruitt

    I will reitirate for all of you, what I asked of Bob in his last letter posted on this site.

    Although I respect your opinion and I understand that there are negatives to any decision just as there are positives, I can’t understand why annexation opponents seem to completely ignore life outside of their own back yard. What is the impact and associated costs of a decline in those communities surrounding Kirkland as King County continues to cut services? Isn’t it better to work with the county now why they are offering rather than wait until they are not? Aren’t we better off having Redmond, Bellevue, Bothell, and Seattle as neighbors rather than say Detroit or St. Louis. Doesn’t that impact the economy of the city as well as its revenue intake? If any of these things are true, isn’t it true the city council has little choice in the matter but to accept the city’s responisibility as a good neighbor within our region and finally approve annexation?

    • Scott Brady

      Mathew Pruitt: Just what are the positives? And please don’t quote me any more tired (and untrue) rhetoric about local representation. Or the big selling point of “more police”.

      So far Kirkland doesn’t seem to be a good neighbor to its own citizens and business community. How are they going to help the region?

      As for seeing things past our own back yards, that is just another elitist statement that fits right in line with your other postings. I’d guess that most of us have a better idea of the big picture than you do.

  • http://www.mathewpruitt.com/ Mathew Pruitt

    Scott,

    I’d like to apologize for my beyond the fence statement. I realize that it is not true but rather was only trying express my point of view that we need to look at the macro side of things as well as the micro. I understand that all involved care about this community and I respect the opinion of those who do not support annexation, despite the fact that I think they are wrong.

    However, I do not think that police service and local representation is tired rhetoric. Will police service not increase if annexation happens? Will we not be able to talk to a city councilmember that represents less people and a smaller geographic region than a county councilmember? WIll we not be able to apply for permits and talk to planners at Kirkland city hall rather than Seattle after dealing with traffic?

    How are they going to help the region? By taking over the services in a region that King County is all but abandoning. Trust me. I used to work there. It is without a doubt the unwritten goal of the county to completely and utterly get out of the business of providing service within urban growth boundaries. The longer we wait the worse it gets, and that impacts Kirkland and its citizens. As services decline, so does the community, which hurts the surrounding region in my view. The cost will be a lot more than $2.2 Million and will be far more reaching. In other words the benefits of annexation are greater than the costs.

    Furthermore, why wouldn’t the PAA want the tax revenue it generates by shopping in Kirkland to go toward services used within the PAA? Isn’t that just common sense?

    I happen to agree with you that Kirkland could improve its relationship with both business and its citizens, in fact I think it is a big problem within the city, but they are light years ahead of the county in this regard. Again, I have witnessed this first hand. Furthermore, I am personally very hopeful that the election of Ms. Sweet, Ms. Walen, and Ms. Marchione will help in this area.

    • Scott Brady

      Mathew,

      Thank you for the apology. I respect your opinion and position on this issue even though I think your reasoning is flawed.

      My point on the local representation is that Kirkland does not represent its citizens. It extracts taxes and fees from them, while almost unilaterally ignoring their input. The update to tree regulations is a great example. The 162 online surveys I read were overwhelmingly in favor of reducing some of the ridiculous parts like have to get permits to trim trees on one’s own property. But the recommendation was to increase fees and require even more permits. This is just one small example I’ve witnessed over the last few months. But it is important none the less, because it illustrates that the City of Kirkland is not listening to its citizens. Ergo, having a group of people issuing edicts and tax increases is not representation at all.

      In so far as permits are concerned, the City of Kirkland is notorious and well known throughout the region as having the most expensive and nearly the most arduous system in place to a permit through. The exception being Issaquah.

      I can’t argue unwritten laws. I can, however, point to the fact that with the exception of police levels, and free doggy poop bags in the parks (which Kirkland recently canceled), the service levels we have in the PAA are not that different than those that Kirkland will provide if in fact they do vote to pass annexation. A great example that we all use every day: Our roads and sewers are maintained at a higher level than Kirkland does today.

      Kirkland’s sales tax revenues can’t support its service. That’s what they told us at the community meetings in June, 2009 and repeated throughout the process. So it apparently doesn’t matter where the sales tax revenues go. They aren’t enough to support services.

      We agree on this one last item regarding the business and citizen relations. Somewhat anyway. I don’t think that Kirkland is light years beyond the county in regards to small businesses. Kirkland’s business taxes are a hindrance to small business growth. Look at Bothell, Woodinville, Redmond (the cities that are not BROKE) who are growing their small businesses, or at least not losing them as quickly. I don’t think that fish cafe in downtown Kirkland will be re-occupied any time soon.

      Lastly, I too am hopeful about the prospects of the new council members. Perhaps they can fix Kirkland. The decades long track record of failure of many, many new faces on the Kirkland City doesn’t bode well however. Unfortunately, based on that track record, it doesn’t seem very likely that even if they do address the financial mess that they’ll be doing anything to make owning a home in Kirkland any better (read lower taxes, fewer lower cost and simplified permits, etc) than any of the hundreds of council members that have come before them.

      In summary: I’ll believe it when I see it. Until then, an ideal situation would be a system of fitness reports from the surrounding cities and annexations that actually make sense.

      • Jim Hitter

        Mr. Brady,

        Above you said “Our roads and sewers are maintained at a higher level than Kirkland does today. ” I wonder where you got that from? Roads are constantly potholed and then repaired, sewers leak/break and are repaired and renewed. Can you please point out the “higher level” of these services that exist in the County controlled zone?

        Thanks

  • http://www.mathewpruitt.com Mathew Pruitt

    Scott,

    I’d like to apologize for my beyond the fence statement. I realize that it is not true but rather was only trying express my point of view that we need to look at the macro side of things as well as the micro. I understand that all involved care about this community and I respect the opinion of those who do not support annexation, despite the fact that I think they are wrong.

    However, I do not think that police service and local representation is tired rhetoric. Will police service not increase if annexation happens? Will we not be able to talk to a city councilmember that represents less people and a smaller geographic region than a county councilmember? WIll we not be able to apply for permits and talk to planners at Kirkland city hall rather than Seattle after dealing with traffic?

    How are they going to help the region? By taking over the services in a region that King County is all but abandoning. Trust me. I used to work there. It is without a doubt the unwritten goal of the county to completely and utterly get out of the business of providing service within urban growth boundaries. The longer we wait the worse it gets, and that impacts Kirkland and its citizens. As services decline, so does the community, which hurts the surrounding region in my view. The cost will be a lot more than $2.2 Million and will be far more reaching. In other words the benefits of annexation are greater than the costs.

    Furthermore, why wouldn’t the PAA want the tax revenue it generates by shopping in Kirkland to go toward services used within the PAA? Isn’t that just common sense?

    I happen to agree with you that Kirkland could improve its relationship with both business and its citizens, in fact I think it is a big problem within the city, but they are light years ahead of the county in this regard. Again, I have witnessed this first hand. Furthermore, I am personally very hopeful that the election of Ms. Sweet, Ms. Walen, and Ms. Marchione will help in this area.

    • Scott Brady

      Mathew,

      Thank you for the apology. I respect your opinion and position on this issue even though I think your reasoning is flawed.

      My point on the local representation is that Kirkland does not represent its citizens. It extracts taxes and fees from them, while almost unilaterally ignoring their input. The update to tree regulations is a great example. The 162 online surveys I read were overwhelmingly in favor of reducing some of the ridiculous parts like have to get permits to trim trees on one’s own property. But the recommendation was to increase fees and require even more permits. This is just one small example I’ve witnessed over the last few months. But it is important none the less, because it illustrates that the City of Kirkland is not listening to its citizens. Ergo, having a group of people issuing edicts and tax increases is not representation at all.

      In so far as permits are concerned, the City of Kirkland is notorious and well known throughout the region as having the most expensive and nearly the most arduous system in place to a permit through. The exception being Issaquah.

      I can’t argue unwritten laws. I can, however, point to the fact that with the exception of police levels, and free doggy poop bags in the parks (which Kirkland recently canceled), the service levels we have in the PAA are not that different than those that Kirkland will provide if in fact they do vote to pass annexation. A great example that we all use every day: Our roads and sewers are maintained at a higher level than Kirkland does today.

      Kirkland’s sales tax revenues can’t support its service. That’s what they told us at the community meetings in June, 2009 and repeated throughout the process. So it apparently doesn’t matter where the sales tax revenues go. They aren’t enough to support services.

      We agree on this one last item regarding the business and citizen relations. Somewhat anyway. I don’t think that Kirkland is light years beyond the county in regards to small businesses. Kirkland’s business taxes are a hindrance to small business growth. Look at Bothell, Woodinville, Redmond (the cities that are not BROKE) who are growing their small businesses, or at least not losing them as quickly. I don’t think that fish cafe in downtown Kirkland will be re-occupied any time soon.

      Lastly, I too am hopeful about the prospects of the new council members. Perhaps they can fix Kirkland. The decades long track record of failure of many, many new faces on the Kirkland City doesn’t bode well however. Unfortunately, based on that track record, it doesn’t seem very likely that even if they do address the financial mess that they’ll be doing anything to make owning a home in Kirkland any better (read lower taxes, fewer lower cost and simplified permits, etc) than any of the hundreds of council members that have come before them.

      In summary: I’ll believe it when I see it. Until then, an ideal situation would be a system of fitness reports from the surrounding cities and annexations that actually make sense.

      • Jim Hitter

        Mr. Brady,

        Above you said “Our roads and sewers are maintained at a higher level than Kirkland does today. ” I wonder where you got that from? Roads are constantly potholed and then repaired, sewers leak/break and are repaired and renewed. Can you please point out the “higher level” of these services that exist in the County controlled zone?

        Thanks

  • http://www.mcadamsbuilders.com/ Len McAdams

    The City Council act is my issue
    Whether or not Kirkland will annex the PAA in 2010, 2011, or 2020, it is irresponsible of the lame duck council to close the door at the 11th hour. The only bright light in this entire story is the imminent replacement of most of our “representation”.

  • http://www.mcadamsbuilders.com Len McAdams

    The City Council act is my issue
    Whether or not Kirkland will annex the PAA in 2010, 2011, or 2020, it is irresponsible of the lame duck council to close the door at the 11th hour. The only bright light in this entire story is the imminent replacement of most of our “representation”.

  • Bill Henkens

    As long as the city of Kirkland has their $100.00 per employee head tax you could never call then business friendly. As long as they continue to dish out parking tickets in downtown, you will continue to see the succession of failures in the downtown area. This city government continues to believe that the small business person works for them instead of understanding they are public servants, and should be working to help build up small business. The city government does not care about small businesses in the least.

  • Bill Henkens

    As long as the city of Kirkland has their $100.00 per employee head tax you could never call then business friendly. As long as they continue to dish out parking tickets in downtown, you will continue to see the succession of failures in the downtown area. This city government continues to believe that the small business person works for them instead of understanding they are public servants, and should be working to help build up small business. The city government does not care about small businesses in the least.

  • northend555

    I live in the Finn Hill area on NE 145th St between 84 Ave and 77 Ave. As long as I have lived here there has been no traffic control from the County or any other services from County for that matter unless they have no other option but to provide services; like a traffic accident where someone dies. That seems to get their attention. The fire department is the most visible sign of County services. When I have inquired about speed humps I have been given a lot of excuses from the engineering division. It seems the solution to traffic control is a political one in the County and not one of safety.

    So, for many of us who voted for inclusion into Kirkland, it has been for the lack of support ad response from the County. In fact when I contacted my County rep. I got a call back from a staffer who’s best suggestion to me was “let’ hope the annexation is passed”! The interesting thing is 145th is the County Line between Kenmore and King County. And most of the heavy speeding traffic comes from all the new developments in Kemore. And yet I have never seen a Kenmore cop petrol 145 during rush hours to contain speeders.

    Without a doubt I would have liked to have had Bothell be the city take this area over. But you take what you can get. Kirklands Zoning laws are punitive at best and out of touch with today’s needs and creative thinking that is necessary for green solutions. Those things can be changed and I hope those in the Northend can be problem solvers for those necessary changes.

    For the current City Council to make a decision for the next is part of government business. It has nothing to do with fairness, right or wrong, socially correct or not. It is just the process. If you want to find the ethical issue it is the people who did not vote.

  • northend555

    I live in the Finn Hill area on NE 145th St between 84 Ave and 77 Ave. As long as I have lived here there has been no traffic control from the County or any other services from County for that matter unless they have no other option but to provide services; like a traffic accident where someone dies. That seems to get their attention. The fire department is the most visible sign of County services. When I have inquired about speed humps I have been given a lot of excuses from the engineering division. It seems the solution to traffic control is a political one in the County and not one of safety.

    So, for many of us who voted for inclusion into Kirkland, it has been for the lack of support ad response from the County. In fact when I contacted my County rep. I got a call back from a staffer who’s best suggestion to me was “let’ hope the annexation is passed”! The interesting thing is 145th is the County Line between Kenmore and King County. And most of the heavy speeding traffic comes from all the new developments in Kemore. And yet I have never seen a Kenmore cop petrol 145 during rush hours to contain speeders.

    Without a doubt I would have liked to have had Bothell be the city take this area over. But you take what you can get. Kirklands Zoning laws are punitive at best and out of touch with today’s needs and creative thinking that is necessary for green solutions. Those things can be changed and I hope those in the Northend can be problem solvers for those necessary changes.

    For the current City Council to make a decision for the next is part of government business. It has nothing to do with fairness, right or wrong, socially correct or not. It is just the process. If you want to find the ethical issue it is the people who did not vote.