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	<title>Comments on: The Proper Role of Government in theory (and in Kirkland)</title>
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		<title>By: al czervik</title>
		<link>http://www.kirklandviews.com/2008/08/10/the-proper-role-of-government/#comment-1142</link>
		<dc:creator>al czervik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mega Mansions in Norkirk? Give me some addresses so I can go see them. How many of you voted for Growth Management? Did you not read the part that stipulated that population growth would be concentrated within the urban boundaries? I did read it and calculated that on the good side it would significantly raise my property value. I also calculated that my wife and I would not be able to afford to live in Kirkland about now. Well it's true. Go down to the Peter Kirk Community Center and listen to the seniors moan about how they will have to sell their homes due to the increasing taxes both property and City. My wife and I are nearly at that point. I have faithfully paid my taxes, supported all sorts of Church and social agencies. We have watched in horror as the City Council plundered millions of tax dollars and now have effectveily squelched re development in a downtown that has nothing besides our bank and a couple of restaurants we frequent.  So what is the role of government? As a person going on 75 years who served in both Korea and Vietnam and worked for Boeing for over 40 years, it is not as a safety net. I grew up dirt poor, worked my butt off to get an education, raise a family and have a little left over for some vacations. When I pay my taxes I expect that whatever governmental agency gets them that they will be spent wisely and not on people who don't but could do the same things I did to survive. I look forward to seeing how the Council deals with the budget crisis. I am willing to accept lower levels of service in everything other than police, fire and essential utilities. Everything else is fair game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mega Mansions in Norkirk? Give me some addresses so I can go see them. How many of you voted for Growth Management? Did you not read the part that stipulated that population growth would be concentrated within the urban boundaries? I did read it and calculated that on the good side it would significantly raise my property value. I also calculated that my wife and I would not be able to afford to live in Kirkland about now. Well it&#8217;s true. Go down to the Peter Kirk Community Center and listen to the seniors moan about how they will have to sell their homes due to the increasing taxes both property and City. My wife and I are nearly at that point. I have faithfully paid my taxes, supported all sorts of Church and social agencies. We have watched in horror as the City Council plundered millions of tax dollars and now have effectveily squelched re development in a downtown that has nothing besides our bank and a couple of restaurants we frequent.  So what is the role of government? As a person going on 75 years who served in both Korea and Vietnam and worked for Boeing for over 40 years, it is not as a safety net. I grew up dirt poor, worked my butt off to get an education, raise a family and have a little left over for some vacations. When I pay my taxes I expect that whatever governmental agency gets them that they will be spent wisely and not on people who don&#8217;t but could do the same things I did to survive. I look forward to seeing how the Council deals with the budget crisis. I am willing to accept lower levels of service in everything other than police, fire and essential utilities. Everything else is fair game.</p>
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		<title>By: John Gilday</title>
		<link>http://www.kirklandviews.com/2008/08/10/the-proper-role-of-government/#comment-1134</link>
		<dc:creator>John Gilday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 05:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Naivite
&#124;&#124;Na`ïve`té" (?), n. [F. See Naïve] Native simplicity; unaffected plainness or ingenuousness; artlessness.


Deeters,
With all due respect, Kirkland does not need it's government overextending its reach by thinking it can provide "a safety net for us all"

Once we have a safety net that can effectivly protect us FROM the government, then we can go about the business of growing our families, businesses and city.


Please use my tax dollars to clone Reagan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Naivite<br />
||Na`ïve`té&#8221; (?), n. [F. See Naïve] Native simplicity; unaffected plainness or ingenuousness; artlessness.</p>
<p>Deeters,<br />
With all due respect, Kirkland does not need it&#8217;s government overextending its reach by thinking it can provide &#8220;a safety net for us all&#8221;</p>
<p>Once we have a safety net that can effectivly protect us FROM the government, then we can go about the business of growing our families, businesses and city.</p>
<p>Please use my tax dollars to clone Reagan</p>
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		<title>By: Deeters</title>
		<link>http://www.kirklandviews.com/2008/08/10/the-proper-role-of-government/#comment-1112</link>
		<dc:creator>Deeters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is nothing "fair" about the so called fair tax. It is the brainchild of Pat Robertson and the far right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is nothing &#8220;fair&#8221; about the so called fair tax. It is the brainchild of Pat Robertson and the far right.</p>
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		<title>By: Deeters</title>
		<link>http://www.kirklandviews.com/2008/08/10/the-proper-role-of-government/#comment-1113</link>
		<dc:creator>Deeters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article is more anger inducing than thought provoking. David uses it as a chance to shill for the Republican party. The Johnson administration opened the door for so many who were shut out because of prejudice and raceism.  We still have healing to do in this country. I don't know of  the auhor of the quotes but he probably opposed the Great Society. 
Most of what is quoted referrs to federal issues and we don't have the same issues in Kirkland. The most important role of government is providing a safety net for us all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article is more anger inducing than thought provoking. David uses it as a chance to shill for the Republican party. The Johnson administration opened the door for so many who were shut out because of prejudice and raceism.  We still have healing to do in this country. I don&#8217;t know of  the auhor of the quotes but he probably opposed the Great Society.<br />
Most of what is quoted referrs to federal issues and we don&#8217;t have the same issues in Kirkland. The most important role of government is providing a safety net for us all.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.kirklandviews.com/2008/08/10/the-proper-role-of-government/#comment-1111</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is Norkirk "losing its character" or simply changing its character?  

Is Norkirk better when it has small homes on large lots?  Better for whom?  Those who owned the small homes certainly either moved away or built bigger homes for themselves.  So every homeowner who traded their small home for money and or a bigger home all felt it was better to do so.

Most of your quotes indicate that government should play a smaller role in our personal lives, yet you end suggesting that we need new rules that limit what people can do with their homes, one of the most private aspects in our nation.

Personally, I prefer a government that ensures a fairness and equality under the law, but most call this regressive and look to punish one class of people and provide assistance to others (and that assistance in the modern economy, sadly, goes more often to the rich than the poor, which just shows you how messed up such socialist thinking works in a capitalist society).

There's no such thing as forced charity.  Government is not of the people as it reserves many rights to itself that people could never do themselves: 1) take your money; 2) force you to move; 3) imprison you; 4) kill you; and 5) force you to kill others (or else #3).

The number of laws, taxes, regulations and ordinances only grows with time.  These all erode liberty in the name of the common good, though very often it's just imposing one group's morality on another, or taking one group's money and giving it to another.

Laws and regulations should strictly be in place only to prevent one party from harming another. Absent a victim, we'd be better to allow people to be free to do as they please.

Fair taxation would impose the same rate on all people for all goods and not claim that one item is "bad" and should be taxed more, while another item is "good" and should get a lower tax or no tax at all.  Such fair taxation is called regressive because the poor are not as wealthy as the rich, which is rather self evident.  Unfortunately, without fair taxation, we end up with government corruption because there are so many incentives to help one group take the money of another.

Of course, I have no delusions that such ideals would ever come into play.  In many ways, the U.S. was more free in previous generations, but of course, those generations managed to oppress whole classes of people (non-whites, poor, immigrants, women, homosexuals) too.  Liberty is hard, and many people just can't stomach the choices and preferences of others, so we get laws and taxes to oppress them.  Oh well....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Norkirk &#8220;losing its character&#8221; or simply changing its character?  </p>
<p>Is Norkirk better when it has small homes on large lots?  Better for whom?  Those who owned the small homes certainly either moved away or built bigger homes for themselves.  So every homeowner who traded their small home for money and or a bigger home all felt it was better to do so.</p>
<p>Most of your quotes indicate that government should play a smaller role in our personal lives, yet you end suggesting that we need new rules that limit what people can do with their homes, one of the most private aspects in our nation.</p>
<p>Personally, I prefer a government that ensures a fairness and equality under the law, but most call this regressive and look to punish one class of people and provide assistance to others (and that assistance in the modern economy, sadly, goes more often to the rich than the poor, which just shows you how messed up such socialist thinking works in a capitalist society).</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no such thing as forced charity.  Government is not of the people as it reserves many rights to itself that people could never do themselves: 1) take your money; 2) force you to move; 3) imprison you; 4) kill you; and 5) force you to kill others (or else #3).</p>
<p>The number of laws, taxes, regulations and ordinances only grows with time.  These all erode liberty in the name of the common good, though very often it&#8217;s just imposing one group&#8217;s morality on another, or taking one group&#8217;s money and giving it to another.</p>
<p>Laws and regulations should strictly be in place only to prevent one party from harming another. Absent a victim, we&#8217;d be better to allow people to be free to do as they please.</p>
<p>Fair taxation would impose the same rate on all people for all goods and not claim that one item is &#8220;bad&#8221; and should be taxed more, while another item is &#8220;good&#8221; and should get a lower tax or no tax at all.  Such fair taxation is called regressive because the poor are not as wealthy as the rich, which is rather self evident.  Unfortunately, without fair taxation, we end up with government corruption because there are so many incentives to help one group take the money of another.</p>
<p>Of course, I have no delusions that such ideals would ever come into play.  In many ways, the U.S. was more free in previous generations, but of course, those generations managed to oppress whole classes of people (non-whites, poor, immigrants, women, homosexuals) too.  Liberty is hard, and many people just can&#8217;t stomach the choices and preferences of others, so we get laws and taxes to oppress them.  Oh well&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: SRH Resident</title>
		<link>http://www.kirklandviews.com/2008/08/10/the-proper-role-of-government/#comment-1110</link>
		<dc:creator>SRH Resident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The modern look of new houses in Kirkland is a direct result of height and floor plate limitations combined with increased property values. The areas under most pressure are ones with views. Small but expensive lots make the builders go up to the maximum height and that leaves us with the boxy look. Please see your neighborhood Lux home for an example.
The ADU is an additional unit on top of at tched garages. Most I've seen look ugly. The city has changed some rules to allow for small buildings on large lots to better survive but I don't know if that plan is working yet.
The high price of property is what is driving the growth of large houses on small lots. It is simple economics. Neighbors in those areas may not like it but I can't think of a solution that could fix it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The modern look of new houses in Kirkland is a direct result of height and floor plate limitations combined with increased property values. The areas under most pressure are ones with views. Small but expensive lots make the builders go up to the maximum height and that leaves us with the boxy look. Please see your neighborhood Lux home for an example.<br />
The ADU is an additional unit on top of at tched garages. Most I&#8217;ve seen look ugly. The city has changed some rules to allow for small buildings on large lots to better survive but I don&#8217;t know if that plan is working yet.<br />
The high price of property is what is driving the growth of large houses on small lots. It is simple economics. Neighbors in those areas may not like it but I can&#8217;t think of a solution that could fix it.</p>
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